From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Wed Sep 5 11:46:51 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: Goldman Sachs OTFS Full-Time Information Session Message-ID: Professional Dress Required-Bring copies of your resume. We would like to invite your students to attend an information session at our offices in Manhattan on Monday, September 17, 6:00pm-8:00pm. Please help distribute the below e-mail invitation to students, departments, clubs, organizations, etc. who would be interested. Desired majors include Business, Information Technology, Liberal Arts, Engineering, Finance, Accounting, Computer Science, and Math. In addition, please provide us with the names and contact information of the clubs and organizations that will be receiving this invite by responding to this e-mail. Finally, please find attached job descriptions. Thank you for your help! -OTFS Campus Recruiting You are cordially invited to attend Goldman, Sachs & Co. Operations, Technology, Finance and Services Tristate Consortium Events Goldman Sachs will be recruiting Full Time Analysts for our Operations, Technology, Finance, and Services divisions from Metro area schools. We invite you to attend an informational session to learn more about Goldman Sachs and the opportunities within Operations, Technology, Finance, and Services, as well as network with our professionals. The OTFS Information Session will be held on: Monday, September 17th, 2007 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm 180 Maiden Lane, New York, NY 10038 Caf? Rooms, 3rd Floor To register for the event, please click the following link and RSVP by 5 pm on Monday, September 10th. Please include your full name, school, month and year of graduation, major, GPA, and attach a copy of your resume. All applications submitted online for OTFS positions will be reviewed, and interviews of selected candidates will be scheduled. Application Deadline for First Round Interviews Please apply online to http://www.gs.com/careers by 11:59 pm on Wednesday, September 19th, 2007 to be considered Interviews Monday, October 1st and Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 9:00 am - 5:00 pm (will take place at the Goldman Sachs Offices by invitation only) Contact Information oftscampusrecruiting at gs.com ? Goldman, Sachs & Co. 2005. All rights reserved. Goldman Sachs is an equal opportunity employer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070905/e5395b6d/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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David Lubetkin Senior IT Project Manager Operations & Technology Unit NYC Department of Small Business Services 110 William Street, 8th Floor New York, NY 10038 T: 212-618-6771 F: 212-618-8868 dlubetkin at sbs.nyc.gov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070907/e7f12ee2/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although the location is at SBS, this is considered an on-campus position. Qualifications and Skills Required for SBS interns: Current CUNY registered undergraduate and graduate students Available to work part-time 19 hours per week Authorized to work under INS laws for on-campus jobs Excellent interpersonal and organizational skills; comfortable interacting with diverse constituencies Excellent writing and editing skills Strong Microsoft PowerPoint and presentation skills Interest in communications, organizational change and strategic planning Experience with HTML and SQL skills are pluses Solid understanding of the Internet and Internet Technology Responsibilities: In February of 2007, the Operations and Technology unit launched the Agency?s first comprehensive intranet site, affectionately referred to as WOMT (work organization management tool). The site includes a wide array of features and topics, ranging from organizational charts to forms, and has revolutionized the way units within the Agency communicate information and interact with one another. For the first time ever, information is widely available and easily accessible. The Strategic Operations unit seeks an intern to help shape the future of this tool, to think creatively and strategically, to help units leverage this tool effectively, and to continue to further the utility of this tool. Support the Strategic Operations? efforts to transform Agency communications and improve business process transparency. Serve as the Agency?s liaison to WOMT, receiving requests for postings, editing and organizing materials, and working to pro-actively shape the future of the tool. Identify new areas/features for development, as well as current areas for improvement. Independently gather, organize, synthesize, and post Agency-wide information. Meet with unit staff and managers across the Agency to help units identify appropriate content and leverage WOMT effectively. Work in conjunction with the Executive Director of Strategic Operations to develop an orientation guide for new employees to quickly familiarize themselves with City government and what it means to work in a City agency. Help develop a methodology for communicating enhancements and new features and seek to increase the number of regular users. Anticipated Projects and Goals for this intern: Develop a two-year strategic plan for WOMT, creating a vision for how the Agency maximizes its use of this work management tool and outlining the high-level steps for achieving this goal. Gain an understanding of how to identify and translate the communication needs of various business units into clear communications that help transform the Agency?s landscape into an efficient, information sharing, and transparent work environment. Facilitate the transition of new employees into City government by developing a guide covering frequently asked questions and shedding light on common misconceptions. Learn the basics of html using Adobe Dreamweaver. Pay Rate: $12 per hour Contact Info: Applicants should send resumes to joyce.o?brien at mail.cuny.edu. In the Subject Line include ?SBS STRATEGIC OPERATIONS INTERN?. NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070910/842492f8/attachment.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Wed Sep 12 11:10:03 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:10:03 -0400 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: Goldman Sachs OTFS Full-Time Information Session Message-ID: -OTFS Campus Recruiting You are cordially invited to attend Goldman, Sachs & Co. Operations, Technology, Finance and Services Tristate Consortium Events Goldman Sachs will be recruiting Full Time Analysts for our Operations, Technology, Finance, and Services divisions from Metro area schools. We invite you to attend an informational session to learn more about Goldman Sachs and the opportunities within Operations, Technology, Finance, and Services, as well as network with our professionals. The OTFS Information Session will be held on: Monday, September 17th, 2007 6:00 pm ? 8:00 pm 180 Maiden Lane, New York, NY 10038 Caf? Rooms, 3rd Floor To register for the event, please click the following link and RSVP by 5 pm on Monday, September 10th. Please include your full name, school, month and year of graduation, major, GPA, and attach a copy of your resume. All applications submitted online for OTFS positions will be reviewed, and interviews of selected candidates will be scheduled. Application Deadline for First Round Interviews Please apply online to http://www.gs.com/careers by 11:59 pm on Wednesday, September 19th, 2007 to be considered Interviews Monday, October 1st and Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 9:00 am - 5:00 pm (will take place at the Goldman Sachs Offices by invitation only) Contact Information oftscampusrecruiting at gs.com ? Goldman, Sachs & Co. 2005. All rights reserved. Goldman Sachs is an equal opportunity employer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070912/3e081305/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1726 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070912/3e081305/attachment-0002.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Further, a social security card and valid photo ID are required. Salary is dependent on credits completed. If you are interested, you may contact the department advisors Alisa Sher (alisa.sher at kingsborough.edu) or Chana Sandberg (chana.sandberg at kingsborough.edu) via E-mail. _______________________________________________ Career1 mailing list Career1 at cisdd.org http://www.cisdd.org/mailman/listinfo/career1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070917/6568fc3c/attachment.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Tue Sep 18 14:36:16 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:36:16 -0500 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: Web Developer Internship for CUNY Students Message-ID: DEP Web Development Internship Job Description In partnership with the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP), the CUNY Institute for Software Design and Development (CISDD) has an exciting internship position available to CUNY students. The program allows students to receive practical hands-on training and experience while assisting DEP in achieving their long-term technical objectives. The internship will be at DEP offices in Flushing, Queens and the position is categorized as a web development intern. Although the location is at DEP, this is considered an on-campus position. Qualifications for DEP interns: v Current CUNY registered student v Available to work part-time 19 hrs/week (flexible 9-6 scheduling with possible opportunities to work to 8 pm) v Authorized to work under INS laws for on-campus jobs Special requirements / Work responsibilities As an intern at DEP New Media, you would be relied upon as a professional web developer, performing page creation, maintenance, and high profile edits on our large and fast-moving website. You will receive valuable training and advanced experience with Interwoven Teamsite, a widely used enterprise-level XML-based content management system. We are looking for a team player who is willing to quickly handle small, high priority copy edits, but is also motivated to use our substantial technical resources (Macromedia ColdFusion, PHP, .net, Flash) to improve our workflow during down-time. Great communication, writing skills, and the ability to manage large-scale projects are a must. Experience with graphic design is a plus. Pay Rate: v $12 per hour To apply: Applicants should send resumes to joyce.o?brien at mail.cuny.edu. Note ?DEP Web Developer? in the subject line. No phone calls please. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070918/d84ef6d4/attachment.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Wed Sep 19 17:28:00 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: Software Developer Internship Message-ID: SBS Software Developer Internship In partnership with the Department of Small Business Services (SBS), the CUNY Institute for Software Design and Development (CISDD) has an exciting internship position available for CUNY students. The program allows students to receive practical hands-on training and experience while assisting SBS in achieving their long-term objectives. The internship will be at SBS offices in NYC and the position is categorized as a Software Developer. Although the location is at SBS, this is considered an on-campus position. Qualifications for SBS interns: Current CUNY registered undergraduate and graduate students Available to work part-time 19 hours per week Authorized to work under INS laws for on-campus jobs Responsibilities: Perform detailed analysis for existing systems and software applications Develop new software solutions and re-engineer existing applications Document application development process and procedures Participate in logical database design with database administrator, software architecture with developers Create software prototypes and participate in design workshops Create test cases and training documentation Perform time estimates, project schedules, and other planning activities Necessary Skills: Web development / programming skills (NET, C#, ASP, ASP.NET, Cold Fusion, VB experience necessary) Front-end coding experience (HTML, CSS, Javascript) Strong database and data manipulation skills - SQL, Access, Excel Experience with services oriented architectures (SOA), web services, SOAP and XML (will be a plus) Able to work independently, multi-task and prioritize while working on several projects simultaneously Excellent communications skills with non-technical end users Pay Rate: $12 per hour Contact Info: Applicants should send resumes to joyce.o?brien at mail.cuny.edu. Please note ?SBS Software Developer Intern? in the subject line. No phone calls. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070919/fe137a05/attachment.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Wed Sep 19 17:28:27 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:28:27 -0400 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: Desktop Engineer Support Internship Message-ID: Desktop Engineer Support Tech Internship Job Description In partnership with the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications-311 (DoITT-311), the CUNY Institute for Software Design and Development (CISDD) has an exciting internship position available for CUNY students. The internship will be at DoITT-311 offices in NYC and the position is categorized as a Desktop Engineer Support Technician intern. Although the location is at DoITT-311, this is considered an on-campus position. Qualifications for DoITT-311 interns: Current CUNY registered student Available to work 19 or 28 hrs/week during the school year, 34 hrs/week during the summer and winter breaks Available to work weekends Authorized to work under INS laws for on-campus jobs Requirements / Responsibilities Job description: Provide level two desktop support in a Windows XP environment for the 311 Call Center. Responsible for hardware and software maintenance, upgrades, computer rollouts, RIS imaging technology. Technicians support multiple sites and travel to sites inclusive of mail migration to outside City agencies. Create and maintain new user accounts, have extensive knowledge of Active Directory structure. Work closely with server engineers to gain knowledge of network topology, profiles and exchange tasks within a Windows 2003 backend environment. Document and post procedures to the share point portal used as a tool to educate fellow team members and enhance the knowledge base. Pay Rate: $11-12 per hour plus benefits to those that qualify To apply: Applicants should send resumes to joyce.o?brien at mail.cuny.edu. Please note ?DoITT-311 Intern? in the subject line. No phone calls please. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070919/5730f02b/attachment.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Fri Sep 21 14:47:43 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:47:43 -0500 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: [CISDD Career] Full-time position with Merrill Lynch -- Quantitative Analyst Message-ID: CISDD is happy to make you aware of the following job opportunity at Merrill Lynch. We are not affiliated with this position. If you would like to apply or inquire, please get in touch directly with Suparna Basu at Merrill Lynch, 212-670-0926, suparna_basu at ml.com. ***Please do not respond to this email.*** Merrill Lynch Quantitative Analyst, Basel II and Risk Analytics Chief Financial Office THE COMPANY Merrill Lynch (NYSE: MER) is one of the world's leading financial management and advisory companies, with offices in 36 countries and total client assets of approximately $1.8 trillion. As an investment bank, it is a leading global underwriter of debt and equity securities and strategic advisor to corporations, governments, institutions and individuals worldwide. Merrill Lynch owns approximately half of BlackRock, one of the world's largest publicly traded investment management companies, with more than $1 trillion in assets under management. In short, Merrill Lynch is a fast and agile organization ? able to capitalize quickly on a wide range of market opportunities across economic cycles. The company places a high value on talent and on maintaining a culture defined by meritocracy. For these reasons, it is deeply committed to professional development, opportunity and accountability at all levels of the organization. MERRILL LYNCH & CO. FINANCE The Chief Financial Office (CFO) manages the company's financial position, striking a balance between disciplined, effective financial management and transactional speed. The group's principal objectives are to enhance the company's competitive leadership position and strategic flexibility and to ensure the accuracy of critical financial information. Merrill Lynch & Co. Finance has overall financial planning, reporting and control responsibility for the firm?s business units, including Global Markets & Investment Banking and Global Private Client. The organization identifies synergies and efficiencies in the firm?s financial and operating support across all businesses and expands performance and benchmarking measurements for each business segment. Basel II and Risk Analytics Improved transparency and assurance of soundness at the parent company level is the objective of a new trend in regulations focused on securities firms with a large global footprint. There are multiple regulatory bodies both domestically and internationally who are positioning similar and eventually expected to be reciprocal regulatory standards to address these issues. Merrill is implementing a framework for consolidated oversight that anticipates these regulatory demands and provides significant other benefits to the Firm. As a part of this effort, the Basel II and Risk Analytics group develops analytic tools for the evaluation of risk. One area of focus is the design of credit rating models. THE POSITION The successful candidate will be part of the credit-rating-models team in the Basel II and Risk Analytics group. S/he will be involved in the maintenance and enhancement of, mostly statistically based, credit rating models for various industries/products. As part of this work, s/he will collaborate closely with credit analysts that are specialized on the respective industry/product. S/he will also perform the occasional ad hoc analysis and model implementation for various risk management projects, such as the evaluation of the credit risk in a particular portfolio. The successful candidate?s work involves data analysis and data quality control. The work also involves some amount of computer programming. QUALIFICATIONS ? BS/BA degree (MS preferred) in a quantitative area (e.g. math, stat, economics, engineering, physics, or computer science) ? Experience in computer programming (e.g. VBA, C/C++, JAVA, SQL, Matlab) ? Basic knowledge of statistics ? Knowledge or strong interest in financial risk management and financial products ? Strong written and verbal communication skills LOCATION 4 World Financial Center New York, NY 10080 _______________________________________________ Career7 mailing list Career7 at cisdd.org http://www.cisdd.org/mailman/listinfo/career7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://tulip.cs.qc.edu/pipermail/csundergrad/attachments/20070921/60566fd6/attachment-0001.html From csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu Tue Sep 25 14:18:44 2007 From: csundergrad at tulip.cs.qc.edu (CSCI Undergrad List) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:44 -0400 Subject: [CSCIUndergrad] Fw: [CISDD Career] Revised: Full-time position with Merrill Lynch -- Analyst Message-ID: ***PLEASE NOTE*** A JOB DESCRIPTION WITH MERRILL LYNCH WENT OUT LAST FRIDAY. PLEASE DISREGARD THAT EMAIL AND SEE REVISED DESCRIPTION BELOW. ONLY APPLICATIONS MADE DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CAREERBUILDER LINK BELOW WILL BE ACCEPTED. TO APPLY: Click here to apply for this job via CareerBuilder Analyst, Capital Calculations- Basel II & Risk Analytics Group Brief Description: Merrill Lynch & Co. Finance is looking for an Analyst to join our efforts to improved transparency and assurance of soundness at the parent company level. Detailed Description: Basel II and Risk Analytics Improved transparency and assurance of soundness at the parent company level is the objective of a new trend in regulations focused on securities firms with a large global footprint. There are multiple regulatory bodies both domestically and internationally who are positioning similar and eventually expected to be reciprocal regulatory standards to address these issues. Merrill is implementing a framework for consolidated oversight that anticipates these regulatory demands and provides significant other benefits to the Firm. Responsibilities include: ? Maintain and enhance the regulatory and economic capital calculators ? Create monthly reports and perform ad hoc data analysis ? Identify and prioritize data issues ? Communicate and interact with different areas such as Finance, Credit, Technology and Businesses to resolve data issues Job Requirements: ? BS/BA degree ? Required experience in computer programming (VBA, C++, JAVA, SQL etc.) ? Strong MS Excel and Access (or other database) skills ? Knowledge or strong interest in financial risk management and financial products ? Strong written, verbal and analytical skills ? Experience in a financial industry preferred, but not required Merrill Lynch is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. The Firm and its affiliates do not discriminate in employment because of race, color, religion, gender, national origin, veteran status, disability, age, citizenship, marital or domestic/civil partnership status, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression or because of any other criteria prohibited under controlling federal, state or local law. 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